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6/14/2006

ALPINE TANKER 11 - see it to believe it 
LIFE LESSONS LEARNED AFTER SCHOOL
Weighted Rating: [30 Votes, 3.22 Stars]
dronjom [1/12/2018 8:30:50 AM EST]
Score: +0
God bless you. You matter. Happy New Year.
wayne monges [8/5/2007 2:08:24 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
charming...nice live ambience
chickadee [2/7/2007 4:50:04 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2.5 stars
More singing, less talk. Nice playing.
itchybrother [1/26/2007 5:36:26 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2.5 stars
it's ok.
Will H. Disney [1/9/2007 12:32:21 AM EST]
Score: +0
Stellar song.
Mr. Bratty [1/8/2007 9:26:22 PM EST]
Score: +0
gotta go boys
kashworth [8/11/2006 11:57:43 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
Very cool song to me......Well written

love the vocals
GibneySays [7/23/2006 11:14:50 AM EST]
Score: +0
how did i forget to download this gem? god this chorus is great.
thedirtygerman [7/15/2006 2:36:06 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2 stars
Hmm.. The strokes meets modest mouse? Well, maybe not modest mouse.
But modest non the less..
mistaeyeball [6/29/2006 5:01:31 PM EST]
Score: +0
I already don't travel at night. I use my special mind powers to astrally project.

That process sounds a lot like this song.
KeavesSharpy [6/29/2006 4:54:45 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2 stars
Yeah, Eyeball don't travel at night. Bad night vision. can't see in stereo.

Sorry folks, I don't get this one at all. Bad production, bad voice, boring summertime blues progression. But then I should only be reviewing music with singers that sound like they're choking on a gerbil and guitars that sound like chainsaws, which is the sound you'd hear if i had my hands on this particular CD, but it wouldn't be guitars.
It'd be a chaisaw.
mistaeyeball [6/29/2006 4:52:28 PM EST]
Score: +0
just so you all know my private business is all.
mistaeyeball [6/29/2006 4:52:05 PM EST]
Score: +0
I'll have to look you all up, but cant, Jamming tonight.
TheNationwide [6/29/2006 4:50:56 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
TheNationwide [6/29/2006 4:48:27 PM EST]
Score: +0
I agree with mista, its a very hipster style song. I like it though, danceable and fun. There's nothing wrong with it. And, just as a shameless plug (hate to steal someone else's space but there's no way to send messages to users) mista, we're playing at PJ Skidoos in Fairfax tonight at 10, if you're interested. Ok, done with shameless plugs.
mistaeyeball [6/29/2006 4:32:51 PM EST]
Score: +0
Also I am tired of the stupid old pictures as cover of albume
memyselfandI [6/29/2006 4:07:27 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3 stars
again a real cool well put together song,but one of the gutars sound like #@&%! like hes just beating on it struming eighth notes. this band has great potental but someone has to break the news to the gutar player to tone it down a bit
Backwater [6/28/2006 1:12:06 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2 stars
i agree with mistaeyeball 100%.
mistaeyeball [6/26/2006 11:22:46 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2 stars
I listened to the song, read all you're comments, then listened to the song again.
I am no authority, not even close. I dig some of the lo-fi sheez and some not. But I have to agree with Remus, as this song feels so derivitave as to lose some of it's relevence. I mean some of the demos on the 2nd disc of Fantom planets first album sound so much like this I had to look at the band name again.

And just to pick a bone (Sorry AP11 nothing to do with you) but every time I go check out bands and bars around here (DC) this is what I'm hearing. DAMN!

Okay done. I think this is an alright atempt at a genre that needs no more attempts
SirenEast [6/20/2006 11:22:23 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
nice - how'd i miss this one?...
irisheyes [6/17/2006 12:55:45 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3 stars
I like it but wish the vocals were stronger, can't really make out all of the lyrics. Good production quality.
Will H. Disney [6/17/2006 8:49:55 AM EST]
Score: +0
I'm a genuine fan of this song, and have had it stuck in my head on and off over the past few days.
cuuntry [6/16/2006 1:06:54 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
this is the first song since Bling Bling Car that's inspired me to listen more than once. i like that it sounds like the singer can't quite keep up with the song. there's something a little apathetic about it though - i can't hear any of the lyrics.
SpaceCadet [6/15/2006 11:16:26 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4.5 stars
ruben remus [6/15/2006 2:54:04 PM EST]
Score: +0
I don't have a problem with lo-fi in particular, and I would never dismiss an entire movement or style. I think that, yeah, there were a couple of good bands that came out of (or, rather, started it), and a bunch of crappy ones that followed- that's what happens whenever someone has a good idea. This particular song has some decent guitar parts, a good melody, etc. I feel like the biggest problem with this version of this song is that it clings so self-consciously to the rules of its genre. It sounded dangerous and off-the-cuff when Pavement did it. It sounds like an affectation here.
GibneySays [6/15/2006 2:44:30 PM EST]
Score: +0
(sorry remus) just my two cents, but when it comes to my measuring stick for 5 stars, i don't think it makes much sense to put it at the level of my favorite songs, simply because most of this stuff is different than what i normally listen to, so the likelihood of happening upon a song i like as much as my favorites is pretty low. and maybe that's the point, but i feel that that kinda blows for the artists that put their stuff up here. among other factors like originality and its hook, if i think i'd actually buy the album that's eventually produced, and find myself raving about the song to my friends, then it deserves 5 stars. not that i've given 5 stars yet, but i think this song in particular is getting there.
Mr. Pony [6/15/2006 2:37:46 PM EST]
Score: +0
remus, my secretary just pointed out to me that my last comment (specifically, the rhetorical question at the end) may come off as, and in fact, may BE obnoxious. I'm going to offer a preemptive apology.
qualcomm [6/15/2006 2:32:40 PM EST]
Score: +0
guess it's beat up on remus day. anyone else have a problem with remus?
qualcomm [6/15/2006 2:28:04 PM EST]
Score: +0
as an admin, remus, i am loath to get in too heated an argument, but i must take issue with your critique of the lo-fi movement. first of all, it produced (or was produced by) two of the 90s' best rock bands, gbv and pavement, as well as a bunch of great one-album-wonders, like 'icky mettle' and 'in the aeroplane over the sea.' now, granted, it also churned out countless boring also-rans like sebadoh, silver jews, and nameless others, but what rock niche hasn't? my main problem with your argument is this idea that lo-fi's fans prefer that sound because it "bucks the corporate system" or represents hope for one's own crappy, un-tight band. the appeal of lo-fi at its best is to me its rejection of overly polished rock. good lo-fi has weird nooks and crannies, mistakes, dissonance. as it should -- all of those things, used well, give songs immediacy and thrill. rock isn't chamber music. people who say they don't "get" lo-fi (and your appreciation of malkmus and (possibly, i can't tell from your comment) pollard, tells me you actually do get it) remind me of people who don't get modern art: "it's messy," "it's ugly," etc. lo-fi isn't a reaction against technique. it's more a reaction against a glossy musical aesthetic, that, in my opinion, is akin to a velvet painting of a tiger.
Mr. Pony [6/15/2006 2:27:03 PM EST]
Score: +0
Ruben Remus, I really like your commentary. I find it insightful, clear, and accessible. But are you really rating this music against the set of all your favoritest songs in the world? (And incidentally, if you are; and if you are as knowledgeable about music as you seem to be, don't your ratings seem a little high to you?)
Mr. Pony [6/15/2006 2:15:55 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
I, Mr. Pony, like this.
GibneySays [6/15/2006 2:00:34 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
man i really like this. another one with perfect length, doesn't get boring. chorus is stuck in my head but i don't mind. best featured song yet.
seantrapp [6/15/2006 12:40:23 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
Almost as good as "Now you stand."
Cobainsaxsolo [6/15/2006 11:46:47 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
Well I had a dissertation that was better, more stirring than Remuseseses, but since you seem to be silenceing discussion with an iron fist I suppose I'll just leave my vote and be on my way, sir.
qualcomm [6/15/2006 10:56:17 AM EST]
Score: +0
thanks, maltice. we'd rather have people vote and say nothing than do nothing at all. so all you lurkers, feel free to vote. you don't have to back it up with a remus-length dissertation, or even a single word, for that matter. eh?
maltice [6/15/2006 10:39:28 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
was just too damn lazy to write a review yesterday but in all seriousness, this is my favorite song on redfizz so far but i don't feel like writing anything. 4 stars
ruben remus [6/15/2006 3:37:41 AM EST]
Score: +0
Thanks, musictalk. It’s difficult to state the quality of a work of art in numbers- I listened to this track many, many times in an effort to be as objective as possible. Honestly, I wanted to rate it higher, because I do like it to a certain degree- enough that I’m going to check out their other submissions. But compared to all the music that’s out there, a higher rating didn’t seem justified. Certainly everyone has their own angle on things and their own sense of what they like, but I do think four stars and up should be an increasingly exclusive club, with five stars being reserved for a stone cold masterpiece. I’m curious as to whether the people that rated this track would hold it up as a classic- I mean, is this as good as your favorite cuts on your favorite records? That should be the measuring stick. Are you still going to be interested in this a week, a month, a year from now? Or is it that you really liked it and three stars just seemed to low? ‘Cause I think three stars mean a good record that misses being great. Can we hear more from those who rated this so highly? Maybe some more discussion on ratings in the messages area....
musictalk [6/15/2006 12:49:40 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2.5 stars
So as always ruben remus nailed it. I guess I am left a little stunned here. I mean I think there is something here. But 4/5 stars??? I am, as all musicians, used to the lo-fi idea, but this needs some work. I am not really sure what to make of the comments. Lots of friends? I mean, they have TONS of potential. But there needs to be some musicianship critique here right? 5 stars with the cymbals and the vocal tuning alone? I am really not trying to slag on the band, as I can see there is somewhere for these guys for sure... and in some time, I bet they will really get there. Just seems like Wilco hit this nail and these guys could go there a bit.
robottoothbrush [6/15/2006 12:40:57 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 5 stars
I can't get over that wicked rad solo. I've heard the song twelve times in a row and I can't get enough of this Life Lessons busness. Bring on more tunes from Alpine Tanker 11.
ruben remus [6/14/2006 8:30:33 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2.5 stars
Vacillated between 2.5 and 3 stars, but on repeated listening I felt like there was something that was missing.
I never quite bought in to the aesthetics of the “lo-fi” movement- it always struck me as it’s own kind of artistic conceit. Buck the corporate system? Great. Recorded at home? Fine. Energy over technical proficiency? Yeah. But I got tired of the CDs I’d hear in my friends’ cars. You could practically picture The Silver Jews sharing a bowl in their rehearsal room, listening to playbacks of their latest track, self-satisfied grins on their faces, gleefully telling one another, “This sounds WAY rougher than the last Guided By Voices.” I can’t help but wonder if one of the reasons the indie rock kids dug those records was because of the vicarious thrill they got, the feeling that, “Hey, these guys are on a decent-sized label, I can buy their stuff at Tower- hell, they’ve got major label distribution!- and this stuff doesn’t sound any better than what my band is doing.” Never mind that most of those kids lacked the plaintive whine and melodic sensibilities of Stephen Malkmus, or even the obsessive prolificacy of Bob Pollard- they ate it up, and the guys at Matador cleaned up nicely.
With “Life Lessons Learned After School”, Alpine Tanker 11 seems to seek to follow in its forebearers footsteps. The chime-y riff that introduces the track sounds like it was lifted straight out of the Pavement Guitar Handbook, and it’s a good hook. When the verse kicks in, the guitar and melody remind me of one of The (English) Beat’s bigger hits- I can’t remember which one-, which isn’t necessarily bad, but it’s a bit distracting. As the singer describes his social awkwardness (“Once I was a taciturn/now I talk too much at parties), the vocals build to a textbook slacker yelp, with one of those “Yeah” refrains that you know you’ve heard before, if you can’t quite remember where. There are a couple of interesting instrumental breaks, one at :53 which serves as an introduction to the next verse and isn’t bad, but kills some of the momentum of the song, and then a great one at 1:29 that’s more of a solo before the climax, when the singer talks about getting away from it all. Overall, there are some good things happening here melodically and instrumentally, although I can’t help but feel the whole thing deserves a little more passion- in particular, at times the singer sounds oddly detached, even for this style of music. The cymbal hits during the intro which others seem focused on did sound sloppy and misplaced- and a little jarring- to me the first couple of listens, but I found that as I got used to them, they faded back into the track, and that I actually *sort of* grew to like their unexpectedness.
I don’t really think this track is going to change anyone’s world, or win over a lot of fans from outside this genre. I do think it would be worth seeing what kind of energy they put into their live shows- with the right kind of commitment, I picture something like this sounding great in a club.
Pavement served to teach a whole new generation- a generation that missed the boat on the Class of ’77 and the D.I.Y. scene that sprung up in its wake- the much-needed lesson that a bunch of guys from Nowheresville, U.S.A., armed with guitars, bass and drums, can make their own anthems, that speak to them every bit as powerfully- if not more so- as anything a corporate-sponsored arena act can put out. Alpine Tanker 11 isn’t quite there yet, but give 'em time.
Mr. Pink [6/14/2006 8:06:09 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4.5 stars
FANTASTIC!!!!!
TheBuyer [6/14/2006 7:52:02 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
yup, on board with these guys
Nick Rivers [6/14/2006 7:49:16 PM EST]
Score: +0
Limey.
Mr. Danko [6/14/2006 5:53:51 PM EST]
Score: +0
Or Brimfull of Asher on a 45. YEAH!!
Mr. Danko [6/14/2006 5:52:39 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
Pretty good. I agree with Qc about the chorus. They should have just stuck with Sweet Jane over and over again. Still, I enjoyed this.
DAYFALL [6/14/2006 4:58:43 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
I liked this - Agree with comments re the vocals but the song is pretty good - Certainly ahs potential - Matt, Dayfall
Litcube [6/14/2006 3:46:58 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
Cool tune. I wish your vox had more confidence in the chorus. Re the intro: Is what you’re going for there a novel timing effect with the cymbals? Brandy had a tune where the bass drum came in a 16th note behind everything else, producing a unique effect that every female R&B/POP artist mimicked for several months after that.

Also, I feel the rhythm guitar could use a deal of presence in the tone.

[When I first heard the lead guitar during the into, I had thought you sampled Madonna's Ray of Light]
Ginchy [6/14/2006 3:32:02 PM EST]
Score: +0
hey AT11, i like this song. I'm downloading it and putting it on my creative player. could you turn those vocals up a bit?
Cobainsaxsolo [6/14/2006 1:20:20 PM EST]
Score: +0
Agreed.
TheBuyer [6/14/2006 11:21:38 AM EST]
Score: +0
This is the best AT11 song so far
Will H. Disney [6/14/2006 10:22:32 AM EST]
Score: +0
this song is radio-ready, huh?
BrownBunny [6/14/2006 9:39:40 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
Good Pavementesque intro (could have used a little more brightness and differentiation between the notes). The general chord progression is overly familiar. The two guitars aren't "dueling" - the higher key guitar should really play with the rhythm--that's what they seemed to be aiming for. The guitar soloing should be cut--it's not low-fi, it's kind of clumsy. The drumming needs some improvement. His voice sounds ok - mix of indie and college rock--could use some energy. All this said, I think this song could be great.
Will H. Disney [6/14/2006 9:37:15 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4.5 stars
this song kicks ass. i like the chorus too.
qualcomm [6/14/2006 8:05:04 AM EST]
Score: +0
and of course, holy god those cymbals are out of time at the beginning.
qualcomm [6/14/2006 8:03:19 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
i really like the verses in this tune, but the chorus just isn't equal to them. those verses have a kind of apathetic pavement rockingness. they carry off the illusion that the singer has something on his mind and the cadence (or whatever) is just flat out cool sounding. there's a lovable angst there. the chorus is kind of generic, and i dare say, toad the wet sprocketish (i don't know why, it just reminds me of those scumbags).

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