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Down in the Valley
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Average Rating: [9 Votes, 3.72 Stars]
Views: 1,392
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Liner Notes
aaronlife [9/21/2006 12:58:34 AM EST]
Score: +0
keith, if you take your recording and lower the pitch an octave using your software, i think you'll hear two things (i did): 1. that it still sounds nice lower 2. the issues with your voice being too soft and in the head become apparent...

when you sing, "i see the trees fall on the lake's reflection" and you hit that high note, that is the best vocal of the whole track, in my opinion, it's where you get enough volume to have a full sound to match the guitar... it was your voice.

i'm with you, though, i'd want to sing it where you sing it, maybe you can sing it a bit lower if you can get a better take and then up the pitch on the computer?

i can't say i know what i'm talking about, that's just my take on it having listened to it a 'bunch' of times now :)
kirasongs [9/20/2006 10:46:57 PM EST]
Score: +0
see, i don't know enough about recording to advise anything. i'm sorry...though i'm sure we'll chitchat further on this at a later date
for now, au revoir, shalom, "l8ter", see ya!, goodnight, etc., etc.
keithburgun [9/20/2006 3:42:38 PM EST]
Score: +0
Aaron: Yeah, I agree that live it could possibly be done that way and I'd definitely be down to experiment, but I sort of feel that we'd have to change other things about the arrangement too, like maybe add drums or bass in parts.

Kira: thanks. Is there anything that I can do to improve on the vocal "quality" that you're talking about? Any suggestions?
kirasongs [9/20/2006 2:00:54 PM EST]
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Rated 4.5 stars
kirasongs [9/20/2006 2:00:43 PM EST]
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i love how this starts out. that chord strummed 4 times sounds like church bells. it's weird and then goes off into the finger picking- i like that sound, it creates an atmosphere that is intimate and in a really rural/small town/pastoral setting
really cool guitar part..the strummed section juxtaposes nicely with the picked part. and i think the instrumentation is just beautiful, and not overdone at all. the song's just so pretty, it really paints an elaborate scene for me.
there's something in all of your recordings with your voice that bothers me though...i think it's something that youre finding the right balance with when recording, just through trial and error. maybe it's because there's this nasal quality and tone to your voice. i think it sounds pretty good in this recording, but there's still something about it that's not blending as well in the mix as it could. of course, not saying that your voice is nasal or not enjoyable- it's just the tone to your voice tends to be of that quality. i hope that made sense
this song- it's beautiful
aaronlife [9/20/2006 12:08:53 AM EST]
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that being said, i think if you were ever doing a live show, and you had someone with you who harmonized well, where the two of you had 'something', people would dig the s&g treatment, especially if they knew it... it has that flexibility i think, some songs don't, especially songs chosen for tv specials where smiley ill-matched artists smile and sing with eachother
aaronlife [9/20/2006 12:04:38 AM EST]
Score: +0
so diplomatic ;)

yes, it's much more touching with a single vocal... i think your friend is right, but it was lots of fun... plus i'm no garfunkel... but i love the harmony with your sister... did you try any versions with more of that?
keithburgun [9/19/2006 11:58:49 PM EST]
Score: +0
hey man. i appreciate the comments on my work and i really am flattered that you took it and recorded yourself singing over it. That makes me feel really good! Like some dude way out there is SINGING my song that I made =]. Anyway, to be honest I wasn't crazy about how it came out. To me it sounded awkward in some way... like detached somehow - and also the tune I think is best suited for a single vocal - more intimate style. My friend sockninja said "He sees it as a simon & garfunkel thing when it's really a Blackbird thing"... I think that's pretty accurate in a way. Having multiple voices, even 2, has a drastically different effect than a single voice (as im sure you know =]). Anyway of course you know its not personal and I love your voice and your work, AND finally, again, I appreciate your effort. Thanks.
aaronlife [9/19/2006 10:50:46 PM EST]
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keith, did it come through, did i butcher it, are you still talking to me (kidding)? the pitch is a little higher than i can typically work with lately unless i'm having a good day... i might try lowering the pitch and then harmonizing, my wife said she liked the tune but thought your part needed to be 1/2 - 1 octave lower for her listening enjoyment, thought the vocal was too in your head, then though my harmonizing with it was like painting a room the wrong color then matching the trim... she's quite candid (you can imagine)... i know i have a winner when it passes the "tammy test", anyway, the song was in my head all day long, good job.
Mr. Bratty [9/19/2006 4:24:43 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
IrREGULAR ELEPHAnT [9/19/2006 3:58:48 PM EST]
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Rated 4 stars
I try my hardest not to balance. I am going to say what I think regardless. The only exception, I might go easy on the feature because it is someones special day.

"Ya better shape up boy, those stars go on yer permnant record!!" Ha ha. I don't care about no stinkin' stars. I was appalled the first time I saw someone rate themselves. I always comment on myself (and all the other myselves) but I have NEVER rated them. Whatever. I wouldn't smoke crack just because I could.

Now that that is over. I have liked all of the DL stuff. This is no exception. Nova has most of the bases covered here so my comments are minimal. Only diff, I liked the vocals. They are intimate and fit the song. The backgrounds are also sweet and add to the song. .5 extra stars for them. This song shows range extending beyond the whimsy of the sports stuff. Great lyrics.

singmetofire [9/19/2006 3:28:16 PM EST]
Score: +0
3 days in and your tryin pretty hard to make new friends eh?
Sockninja [9/19/2006 2:44:31 PM EST]
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Rated 4.5 stars
I too am balancing. I don't think it's unfair to let someone vote on their own work. A lot of poeple look objectively at their own stuff. and besides if poeple would actually VOTE, eventually the scores would even out to a fair medium.

and to top it all off, its not like the stars really matter, so balance votes are really just little elitist bits of malice to throw around.

my .02
chaingang [9/19/2006 2:43:56 PM EST]
Score: +0
smelly dicks
chaingang [9/19/2006 2:42:58 PM EST]
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thats cool.

so what do u think of the song?

by the way thats my sister singing backup. shes only four years old, pretty good singer for that age i think
singmetofire [9/19/2006 2:40:16 PM EST]
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keithburgun [9/19/2006 2:18:12 PM EST]
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Sing: did you rate it a half star becuase thats what you thought or as a "balance vote"
leathermouse [9/19/2006 1:18:25 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
Ahhhhh. This is nice. I wanna learn and sing it to my kids for a bed time song. Very good work.
singmetofire [9/19/2006 12:55:54 PM EST]
Score: +0
c'mon now keith.
singmetofire [9/19/2006 12:55:43 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 0.5 stars
aaronlife [9/19/2006 12:42:33 PM EST]
Score: +0
just sent you a note, if you send me email address will send it out quick before i have to go back out to work for awhile, otherwise later today...
keithburgun [9/19/2006 12:40:18 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4.5 stars
whoops almost forgot to rate my own song since its possible
keithburgun [9/19/2006 12:40:05 PM EST]
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aaronlife contact me on myspace
NovaVox [9/19/2006 12:37:51 PM EST]
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Rated 3.5 stars
The sentiment is great, I like the lyrics and the guitar is nice. The vocals however, are very pretty and work well together, but I hate the recording of them....they seem too low or not enough body or something...

Ah...I think you are singing too low into the mic so you get that intimate feeling, I would have turned the mic down and sang slightly louder to get more on tape....gosh they just sound to shy.

1. Technical ability
2. Good tone choice
3. Playing the right part for the song
4. Feeling
5. Originality

This gets:

1) 5 (Both vocals are in key, and guitar and accordian? are good)
2) 3 (Tones are good, that vocal thing is bugging me)
3) 3 (Kinda wished more happened, but still good)
4) 3 (Feel is hurt for me by the shyness of the vocal)
5) 3 (Fairly average on the originality front)

Overall: 3.4
aaronlife [9/19/2006 12:21:35 PM EST]
Score: +0
where do i send it? it isn't perfect, but it was fun...
keithburgun [9/19/2006 12:17:22 PM EST]
Score: +0
Thanks guys. Aaron ya sure send me the file I'd like to hear it. Thats funny actually because I learned your song A Bit Too Soon and was thinking about covering it (giving you credit of course).
Mr. Bratty [9/19/2006 12:07:53 PM EST]
Score: +0
this was sweet. The lyrics are sort of TMBG-ish but not the performance. nice instrumentation. very interesting too. this song could be about more than a couple of different things. good job! maybe now we get a picture that isn't sportsy?
aaronlife [9/19/2006 11:42:35 AM EST]
Score: +0
huh, i just redid it, my voice wasn't warmed up, this is actually sounds cool, let me know if you want me to send it to you, sounds nice filled it out.
aaronlife [9/19/2006 11:33:32 AM EST]
Score: +0
hope you don't mind, i already downloaded it and added a second vocal track... (always wanted to see what it was like to be simon and garfunkel)....
aaronlife [9/19/2006 10:54:00 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4.5 stars
love this, absolutely, keep listening over and over, this could be off simon and garfunkel's wednesay morning 3am... i'm already learnin' the words and singing along.
aaronlife [9/19/2006 10:45:01 AM EST]
Score: +0
welcome to second stage brother, breakfast buffet goes until 1 pm, then they bring out little sushi trays until dinner...
[From my newest album The Valley (2006)... It's not about sports.]

Down in the valley
My baby sleeps beneath an old oak tree
Home with a heartache
I read the last letter she sent to me

I see the trees fall on the lake's reflection
I feel the wind go by
It washes dead skin off of my complexion
Brings me a brand new mind
but somehow, we always collide

Up on a spaceship
My baby sings a malady to me
Down in containment
We keep a tiny frozen granary

I see the world as everybody's baby
But we can't hear her cry
Our precious problems, everybody wants one
Nobody wants to die
But somehow we always collide

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