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10/26/2006

Richard X Heyman -  
Pauline
Weighted Rating: [24 Votes, 2.89 Stars]
Views: 3,293
Sputnikov [10/9/2007 8:51:32 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
this is poptastic popsauce! i would have arranged it differently and made it a minute shorter, but it's good!
itchybrother [4/20/2007 10:29:25 AM EST]
Score: +0
love this song.
chickadee [4/19/2007 7:57:38 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3 stars
sounds good. well done.
MeatMachineII [4/19/2007 7:57:01 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3 stars
aaron-life [4/19/2007 7:55:58 PM EST]
Score: +0
this is really good, reminds me so much of something(s) i can't put my finger on... squeeze or something?
7A Productions [11/21/2006 9:31:23 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2 stars
DonnieDarko [11/21/2006 2:27:12 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2.5 stars
I like the sound of this...its well written...well orchestrated...well performed
I think it will lack success because its 20-30 yrs to late... but its pretty great nod to a lot of music... interesting combination of styles... phil collins meets the scorpions meets the who.......maybe thats pretty silly....idont know...
ruben remus [11/2/2006 12:48:04 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
This might be a little...RELENTLESS, but I don't necessarily think that's bad, it's sort of a quality you find in this sort of 60s/70s sunshine-y radio sound to some degree. I do feel like it could be just a tiny pinch slower- it feels just a couple beats rushed, and I think that would provide all the breathing room necessary. The first things that came to mind were Squeeze, as has been mentioned, and Matthew Sweet. I think this has a decent sound but sort of lacks an "in the moment" quality that would work to it's benefit, as though so much attention was paid to getting each part perfect that some energy was lost. I'm thinking of some World Party stuff on "Goodbye Jumbo", certain big pop tunes where it sounds like he had a good idea what he was going for, but ultimately he just hit record and went for it.

I don't really know that the chorus is out of place, and I think the initial change is nice, but the chorus overall...I hate to say it, but it is a little 70s supergroup sounding...I think it's really the harmonies that drag it down. It could just be the way they're mixed, or maybe it's just that they sound too artificial...

There are a lot of great elements here, but there's this real perfected, safe feel that I think detracts from it. And maybe it's the mastering, but there's something with the sound of this...it's like a lot of discrete elements that don't really blend organically...it makes it not sound like it was cut from a whole cloth. I think I'd do something with the mix, too, the panning strikes me a little weird- a stereo spread on the keys could help the sound quite a bit, as could a bit more volume on your axe, and I think the vocal levels on some parts could be better.

I really like the guitar sound, and the solo is pretty damn cool. And the prechorus is a nice bit of melody, nice bit of songwriting.
itchybrother [11/1/2006 2:34:27 PM EST]
Score: +0
like I'm supposed to remember the name of ANY song on this site.

all I remember are the names of the reviewers.
sedrite [11/1/2006 2:25:59 PM EST]
Score: +0
...QC has a hole in his pocket and is feeling a little teste...
qualcomm [11/1/2006 2:21:52 PM EST]
Score: +0
i already told you a few of the redfizz songs "he" likes. they all have a similar indie sound, which is absolutely nothing like this.
itchybrother [11/1/2006 2:17:32 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4.5 stars
since I have no idea what "he" is interested in, I have no idea how we should be reviewing these songs. Based on construction, melody, performance, this easily gets 4 stars. If you're starring based on how current the song is, then no, it's not gonna star very high. If you're starring based on what the movie needs or what "he" is looking for, who the hell knows? I mean, why couldn't 20 seconds of this song be some guy listening to the radio in his car? Of course, not even knowing if such a scene exists in the movie, I can't judge.

anyway you slice it, this dude deserves more than one star, whether contest or regular eval.


sedrite [10/30/2006 12:25:22 PM EST]
Score: +0
I'm not racist against tamborines, even as a drum crutch, and I have no idea why they chose to use it as they did on this cut...merely saying that the ubiqitosity of said drum in this instance is oppressive to me and gives me negative associations...
Mr. Bratty [10/30/2006 11:10:58 AM EST]
Score: +0
hah!
Throgmorton [10/30/2006 11:03:15 AM EST]
Score: +0
Does tambourine ever just mean.'Hey let's put a little jingly tingly in here and pep this number up." I don't think it's a obfuscator here. At worst, I suppose they could've been in the studio saying, "This is a solid tune with a nice hook, but it's missing something. Say, how 'bout some rine?", which may or may not have been the best solution. Anyway, I think you guys are down on it for being a French instrument.
sedrite [10/27/2006 11:51:40 PM EST]
Score: +0
Yeah but two left thumbs also has a point counterpoint in the vocal melody/bkg vocals that takes center stage...
Mr. Bratty [10/27/2006 11:44:40 PM EST]
Score: +0
that's very astute of you about the tambourine. my nick lowe tune has a tambourine makeover on the drum track. seems the engineer, who was also the drummer, forgot to take the mute off the high hat mike. so he went back and put in a tambo track to compensate. it sounds fairly hip, but i always wonder...
sedrite [10/27/2006 11:40:32 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2 stars
sedrite [10/27/2006 11:40:19 PM EST]
Score: +0
It's kind of a 70s 50s ie Happy Days kind of tune...but the dude can certainly play his ass off. Agree with Sr. Bratty re: middle 8...
sedrite [10/27/2006 11:37:20 PM EST]
Score: +0
That heavy tamborine usually says: I'm trying to hide some mistakes on the drum track to me...
sedrite [10/27/2006 11:36:33 PM EST]
Score: +0
Tamborine really #@&%!s up dynamic range of the tune...
sedrite [10/27/2006 11:36:08 PM EST]
Score: +0
Tamborine is oppressive.
sedrite [10/27/2006 11:35:30 PM EST]
Score: +0
Alright...let's give Pauline another shot...
Throgmorton [10/27/2006 9:05:46 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
Heyman you look like Rob Lowe and Rick Springfield's son.
Anyway, man this sounds like Steely Dan's first album (Midnight Cruiser or something) meets Warren Zevon and Matthew Sweet. The chorus is quite good with the little trilly twist and, yes, a bit reminiscent of Asia in the chorus as Mr. Danko says(I still think you're Rick Danko's son.) Love the driving tambourine and singing and harmonies. There's no pausing for a breath which can be disconcerting to some lessers. I'd love this live. Great recording. Solid playing. Can't see this getting under 4 stars. What the f is up with your taste buds QC-got a cold? Hating Russell Monk is one thing--but what about this is two stars? Maybe you shouldn't answer that.
We Grow Up [10/27/2006 5:58:52 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3 stars
I like it ok... the fade out ending doesn't work for me though
aaronlife [10/26/2006 11:50:56 PM EST]
Score: +0
slow down the tempo and i'll give more stars.
aaronlife [10/26/2006 11:50:19 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3 stars
for me, it was all good, but just rushed, and because the tempo is too rushed, it all sounds premature, i'd just throw it in software and slow the tempo down, by the time it's over, i feel like i listened to two songs, somehow, squeezed into the space of one, too much, it's like flipping through the pages of playboy without having a chance to really enjoy what your eye caught... but you know what's in there, is of fine quality, like driving fast too down the highway and missing the details in the scenery
Mr. Bratty [10/26/2006 10:31:15 PM EST]
Score: +0
that isn't to say it's not a poptastic tune, and considerably better than most, i just wish it had a half-time middle eight or something right before the guitar solo comes in. i also find it unfortunate that the solo comes in repeating the vocal hook. that's what i meant by hook fatigue. these are obviously my personal nitpicks. i doubt that i could do better, but i'd sure give it a hell of a try.
aaronlife [10/26/2006 10:03:17 PM EST]
Score: +0
yes, bratty, exactly, i was going to say something to the same effect, but was going to wait and listen a few times...
mechanical_bull [10/26/2006 4:46:23 PM EST]
Score: +0
What era would you guys rather be in, yacht rock or sexy back..for me I would take the early eighties rock in an instant. Coming out of the seventies baby making music, easy rock came into it's own. Now we're faced with a similiar situation....Rap is DEAD, I predict we'll have a decade or so of light rock followed by a christ figure ala cobain..then it will be back to "sexy back". Unless jihad or something to break the vicious cycle.
Greyfield [10/26/2006 2:14:07 PM EST]
Score: +0
btw, when I saw the phrase 'yacht rock', I almost spit my Dr. Pepper all over the desk!
Greyfield [10/26/2006 2:13:06 PM EST]
Score: +0
Picturing Richard and his manager sitting at a computer. Richard punches him and says, "see? I TOLD you the internet was a bad marketing idea!"
TheBuyer [10/26/2006 2:05:00 PM EST]
Score: +0
#@&%!. tea.
MykeLExneR [10/26/2006 2:04:31 PM EST]
Score: +0
totally dated...

A nice song yes, would have been great in the earlyl 80's along with billy joel and bob seger and all those other artists i cant stand...

but its a good song...though it isnt my cup of tea
mechanical_bull [10/26/2006 1:51:56 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 5 stars
GibneySays [10/26/2006 1:41:34 PM EST]
Score: +0
i liked how the vocals started immediately and the arrangement is great. but overall this aint something i'd listen to so i'll abstain from voting. and i agree with danko, that chorus seemed misplaced and very 80's to me.
TheBuyer [10/26/2006 1:38:07 PM EST]
Score: +0
pretty slick, jack.
jordanschug [10/26/2006 1:33:14 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2.5 stars
How does this manage to sound like so many different people? I looked at his website and it looks like he doesn't take himself too seriously, which I like.

I guess there's a few things I could say. I like the chord change that brings the song into the chorus. He knows how chords are supposed to flow, there's no weirdness there. I think the fade out is very unnecessary. I am biased though because I don't like fadeouts, and this one is exceptionally bad. Production, other than that, is good.

No one would ever catch me giving someone a ride in my car and saying "hey check out this song pauline, it's really good" or "it's really different". It's neither of those things in my opinion. can you say yacht rock? It's not bad though, I did listen to it twice and wasn't hating it. part of me likes those yacht rock songs.
itchybrother [10/26/2006 12:28:43 PM EST]
Score: +0
vocally anyway.
itchybrother [10/26/2006 12:28:31 PM EST]
Score: +0
throw some Adrian Belew in there.
jamsmith [10/26/2006 12:23:28 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4.5 stars
Holy #@&%!. I clicked on this cause I saw the guitar in his hand I thought I was going to #@&%! with him about "if you pose with a guitar, you should know how to play it". I can't really say anything about the guitar, its not that noticable really until that nice solo. This is definitely one of the top 5 best songs I have heard on Red Fizz. This guy would have been huge in the 60's

A song this good being featured? Redfizz must be slipping.

I don't know if he did this one, but the new #@&%! is being mixed by Ed Stasium who has engineered for Jeff Healy, Living Colour, and almost all of the Ramone Records.

I am listening to medely of his songs on his site. If I didn't know it, I would think this is some Paul McCartney stuff I never heard before. Some of is maybe too close. But the guy is definitely real good.
Mr. Bratty [10/26/2006 12:00:09 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
i don't think it's frizz. they use a crimping iron to get that look. this song does have a lot of great things going for it. my observation is that it suffers a little from hook fatigue and relentlessness. it doesn't really give you a chance to chew the first mouthful before it jams the next spoonful in. if it had a little more breathing room in the dynamic, i'd would have liked it better than i do.
qualcomm [10/26/2006 11:40:38 AM EST]
Score: +0
i can picture someone saying that. this person is wearing acid wash jeans and has a roach clip in her frizzy blonde hair.
Greyfield [10/26/2006 11:32:39 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2 stars
I'm with qualcomm on this...maybe some Jeff Lynne studio wizardry would make me want to hear this song again, but as it is, twice was enough. It's not the slightest bit offensive, musically sound, well recorded and all....but I just can't picture anyone at a concert of his saying, "Oh God, I hope he plays 'Pauline'..."
qualcomm [10/26/2006 11:10:50 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2 stars
itchybrother [10/26/2006 11:07:51 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4.5 stars
this is top drawer stuff.
Mr. Danko [10/26/2006 10:57:28 AM EST]
Score: +0
That's why costello is a #@&%!.
qualcomm [10/26/2006 10:57:03 AM EST]
Score: +0
i actually thought the verses' melody sounded a little costelloish
Mr. Danko [10/26/2006 10:51:47 AM EST]
Score: +0
I happen to think Pauline is a lovely name.
Mr. Danko [10/26/2006 10:50:18 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3 stars
#@&%!. I don't know what to do here. I was about to 4-5 this Jon Brion/Michael Penn inspired ditty but then I heard the chorus which is completely misplaced and reminds me of Asia. Yes, Asia. How dare you do that to me!
2fsplit [10/26/2006 10:26:58 AM EST]
Score: +0
lol

qualcomm [10/26/2006 10:24:14 AM EST]
Score: +0
i am disgusted with all of you.
2fsplit [10/26/2006 10:17:03 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3.5 stars
Well here is a pleasent surprise!! Not a huge fan of this style of music, BUT great harmonies, great production, and overall very good song! Qualcomm I am shocked to see this here! Nice job!
aaronlife [10/26/2006 9:11:39 AM EST]
Score: +0
yeah, squeeze meets steely dan, produced by jeff lynne, it's nice, like it could have been a mild radio hit at one point, it's very well done, enjoyable, he may not be posting himself, no harm done by featuring, it's nice, familiar without being so...
Greyfield [10/26/2006 8:00:21 AM EST]
Score: +0
I have Richard's cd "Cornerstone", which I bought at a small shop here in Indianapolis quite a few years ago (1999??) ...I just assumed he was a big-name guy, so I was really shocked to see him here. (Not that everyone doesn't like feedback, but, I don't know...it just seemed odd...)
O-U-8-1-2 [10/26/2006 7:33:55 AM EST]
Score: +0
I'll have to agree, Pauline is an ugly name, but I think the song is worthy of being featured. I hear a little Squeeze in there yes? Even a little dB's. Didn't blow me away, but I listened to it twice in a row and enjoyed it both times. I don't know what's rubbing me the wrong way, can't put my finger on it. I'll have to think about it.
ScottT [10/26/2006 7:03:53 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
This is a superbly crafted song. Good job!!
mechanical_bull [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
If this is not featured I'll never get over it..this song is nostalgic for me, reminds me of driving with my mother to the grocery store (in a good way). Toto esque and well done to boot. It will show a lot of maturity by redfizz if this is featured.
jbrown [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Just a hint of Squeeze here no? Feature this one!
qualcomm [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
i'd second stage this, but you weirdos seem to really like it. why are you all such dorks? p.s., pauline is an ugly name.
mikebritt [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
you almost sound like paul mcartney. wish it took more risks but it also sounds accessible
anniequick [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Great song. Great vocals. Nostalgic.
sedrite [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
That's a contest rating, not a eval rating. in case anyone cares...
sedrite [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Rated 1 star
This is hella retro...but near past retro...it's kinda "had to be there" for me...
NovaVox [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
You know, he may not know he wants something like this. He my have made a quick assessment of what was featured and then missed he could have something different...

Just guessing, but we all admit the Featured queue does not accurately represent what is on RedFizz.
qualcomm [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Rated 1 star
yeah, this just doesn't match up with what he's shown interest in already
NovaVox [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Rated 1.5 stars
Not a bad song, but in the movie context it doesn't conjure any scene or situation. I think that's going to have to be how I rate for the movie stuff.

Not a song commentary, just a song for movie commentary.
Booed Offstage (63)
aaronlife [11/2/2006 11:58:27 AM EST]
Score: +0
you should always eat it at least a little before you #@&%! it so it gets nice and juicy
GibneySays [11/2/2006 11:54:22 AM EST]
Score: +0
you eat it after you #@&%! it?
TheBuyer [11/2/2006 11:35:05 AM EST]
Score: +0
no, that would wreck it. also no one wants to eat a warm melon.
aaronlife [11/2/2006 11:24:12 AM EST]
Score: +0
if i was michael, i would never allow redfizz users to choose the songs for my movie, i can't imagine any director would... unless they really didn't care, or unless it really didn't matter and it was the director's idea to hold a 'contest' where he/she gave up artistic control...

which is the director's choice, not QCs...

now, if someone were making a redfizz movie, there could be a contest for whose song gets chosen to be the song where the thread turns into a ridiculous rant, causing 12 people to leave the site, 3 to get banned, and 1 electrocuted while trying to run a vibrating vagina off usb power... in that case, qualcomm and disney could spend 8 hours a day sorting through ip addresses making sure all the votes were coming from different computers, while doing background checks, crossreferenced with classmates.com, to make sure that joe in peoria didn't go to school with chris in baton rouge, whose song he just voted on...

you know, it's nice to see real vote tallies, but honestly, i'm starting to think it's all a bit ridiculous, who cares if fakers or parents or friends put stars here, it just doesn't matter...

personally, i'd be honored if michael chose my song, though i know it's a long shot, but i'd rather be in a movie because the director found my song appropriate for his art, not because a bunch of fizzers voted...

anyway, no disrespect sed, it's an open forum, just sharing my thoughts...

buyer, do you warm your melon in the sun before sex? if it gets dry, you can add agave nectar...
qualcomm [11/2/2006 10:36:03 AM EST]
Score: +0
i don't expect you to accept this explanation(why should you, when it feels so much better to invent your own, completely conjectural, version of reality?), but i wasn't interested in trying to cut a deal where the director would be forced to use redfizz music. i know it's impossible for someone as pushy as you to fathom, but i actually want this guy to be satisfied with his experience here, not only for the word of mouth it might generate among other film/commercial/etc directors, but because it would be personally distasteful to me to put someone in a position where he's obligated to do something he wouldn't freely do on his own.

as i see it, my association with michael knowles has already been a success, both for him and redfizz musicians: before the contest even began, he chose four redfizz artists for possible inclusion in the film. i have little doubt he'll stick with at least one of those picks, and choose at least one more from the list of contestants (he needs even more music than was indicated in the contest rules, turns out). further, it's provided a great marketing tool for the site--our influx of new bands has jumped. you could argue that the director is getting publicity from the contest, but for an indie film like this, publicity is not all that relevant; all that matters at this point is that it gets into film festivals, which is decided by private festival panels, not the public.

what bothers me so much about your attitude, sedrite, is its whininess and sense of entitlement. your basic thrust seems to be that i could and should have done so much more for you. so, with that said, yes, i apologize for going out of my way to set up an opportunity for you to get your music in a movie. i realize i should have guaranteed you a star on the hollywood walk of fame. i am a spineless twerp for not being able to force your mediocre songs down someone's throat.
sedrite [11/2/2006 1:07:31 AM EST]
Score: +0
...and I'm sorry your family wasn't more supportive of you following your own passions...maybe you'd show a little more spine outside the chatrooms...
qualcomm [11/2/2006 1:00:34 AM EST]
Score: +0
aw, i didn't get you a better shot with the director, sedrite? geez, i'm sorry. next time i'll work harder to get you the opportunities your mother, father, and younger brother assure you you're entitled to.
sedrite [11/2/2006 12:54:26 AM EST]
Score: +0
You know, if you had asked me BEFORE, maybe the negotiations could have had more teeth, now, according to the deal you apparently cut, although who knows what ACTUALLY went on, yeah, it's pretty much up to the director, you wormy little #@&%!...
qualcomm [11/2/2006 12:43:20 AM EST]
Score: +0
yeah, kinda up to the director who gets into the movie, wouldn't you say?
sedrite [11/2/2006 12:41:14 AM EST]
Score: +0
You're goddam right you didn't say anything about getting me into a movie! You couldn't do it if you wanted to!!!
qualcomm [11/2/2006 12:33:23 AM EST]
Score: +0
oh, i didn't say anything about getting you in a movie. i just want you to do it because that's my precious opinion and you should listen to it, because my mother, father, and younger brother think i'm swell.
sedrite [11/2/2006 12:30:39 AM EST]
Score: +0
Sure, why not! Anything to get in a movie!!! Even if no one is ever gonna see it!
qualcomm [11/2/2006 12:29:27 AM EST]
Score: +0
so we're agreed you'll put the chord in, though, right? also, there's some redecorating i want you to do in your house...
sedrite [11/2/2006 12:25:15 AM EST]
Score: +0
Only took you 10 minutes to google it...
qualcomm [11/2/2006 12:23:18 AM EST]
Score: +0
don't try to trick me! i know that's the same chord!
sedrite [11/2/2006 12:14:24 AM EST]
Score: +0
Do you mind if I make it an Abdim9?
sedrite [11/2/2006 12:13:37 AM EST]
Score: +0
Actually, it might sound good, now that you mention it!!!
qualcomm [11/2/2006 12:11:11 AM EST]
Score: +0
just put the chord i asked for in your song, you power-mad despot!
sedrite [11/2/2006 12:07:14 AM EST]
Score: +0
usually you're so dignified...what's up buddy? We can work this out!!!
qualcomm [11/2/2006 12:06:04 AM EST]
Score: +0
pull your pants back up, you weirdo
sedrite [11/2/2006 12:04:40 AM EST]
Score: +0
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present the wise and powerful Oz...
qualcomm [11/1/2006 11:33:36 PM EST]
Score: +0
hey sedrite, i want you to put oh, i don't know, a G#9 diminished chord into your contest song. i know it's not my song or anything, but i think i have a great sense of these things. i mean, just do it. what are you, hung up on hierarchy or something?
sedrite [11/1/2006 7:31:07 PM EST]
Score: +0
I was fairly certain that that little grain of rice you call a pecker would render it necessary for you to use both hands inside Charlene, therefore making it impossible for you to type?

And why, in God's name, would you think that I cared how entertained you are? Don't you have democracy in Canada?
TheBuyer [11/1/2006 7:27:20 PM EST]
Score: +0
who says I took a break from #@&%!ing Charlene (my melon)? you haven't stopped crying since that guy took an interest in some of the songs on this site, it's boring to look at.
sedrite [11/1/2006 7:16:41 PM EST]
Score: +0
This doesn't concern you Buyer. Go back to #@&%!ing your melon.
TheBuyer [11/1/2006 7:15:49 PM EST]
Score: +0
holy christ, shut the #@&%! up you sniveling toad.
sedrite [11/1/2006 7:14:13 PM EST]
Score: +0
Yeah sorry Pauline...that thing about deleting my mom's vote really gravels my ass though...
sedrite [11/1/2006 7:09:19 PM EST]
Score: +0

I'm sure I have a lot to learn, but I happen to think that you could learn a thing or two from me when it comes to cutting deals to promote your site. I realize this ship has sailed. I just think it could have been done better. I'm trying to help you, pal!

Just because you are totally hung up on hierarchy doesn't mean everyone else is, film directors included. I have even seen web contests recently that allow all kinds of hacks to submit lines for inclusion in the movie! AND ONE OF THOSE LINES WILL #@&%!ING GO IN THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you deleted my mom and younger brother's votes who probably voted off of the same computer that they share at the house! That was clear from the thread!!! How low can you go?

Although, I guess if the votes don't count anyway, it doesn't matter.

I know I defended you against his attacks, but maybe Nova was right about you, mang.
qualcomm [11/1/2006 6:15:22 PM EST]
Score: +0
basically i don't see any problem with the way the contest is run now. you submit a song. then, the person in the best position to determine what songs should go in the film (its director!) makes a decision. to me, that decision is much more legitimate than that of a committee who has only seen a preview of the film.
qualcomm [11/1/2006 6:10:19 PM EST]
Score: +0
again, sedrite, if you think any film director would relinquish control over any part of his movie to a democratic process, you've got a lot to learn. no one would ever do it, and i don't blame them. if i were making a movie, i wouldn't hand over a second of it to some anonymous group of people. i mean, let's take your contest submission as an example. do you realize it has had over five fraudulent votes (some good, some bad) cast on it?
sedrite [11/1/2006 5:04:07 PM EST]
Score: +0
Yeah me either...unless I was clowning the judges...
itchybrother [11/1/2006 5:03:00 PM EST]
Score: +0
but watching dives I would just say, wow, great dive! I wouldn't say, well I thought it was a 9.3
sedrite [11/1/2006 5:00:23 PM EST]
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QC: See, I don't perceive that as a problem. Submit 8 songs, producers commit to 2, put it in some place where it can be heard for 30 seconds or less if everything really sucks, which it won't, everyone's happy. They get free international publicity, you have something to get people to come to the site, bands have a reason to want to be in there etc.

If this were my site, I would want the democratic component to be as strong as possible for the sake of the artists and critics. And I don't think you should sell yourself short...

And Aaron: You are right. That is the character of the voting and starring...

aaronlife [11/1/2006 4:42:11 PM EST]
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i don't get this thread, the contest winners are chosen by the directors, the 'voting' or 'starring' is just feedback, ultimately it means nothing, it's like people in the audience saying to each other, that was a good dive...
qualcomm [11/1/2006 4:34:18 PM EST]
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we'd still have the same problem of people voting what they personally like determining what goes to the editor (whoever that might be). in my opinion, the director is less likely to pick any of the songs then. here he has the choice to pick what he wants from all the entries. there's no other way to do it. until redfizz actually has serious pull in the music world, which will probably be never, no director in his right mind would let a mob of people he knows nothing about make decisions about his movie.
sedrite [11/1/2006 4:22:15 PM EST]
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Just brainstorming post facto...could've been set up so all artists get one submission with the votes determining the songs then submitted for the consideration of the music editor. Then the consultative votes would have more bite as it were...and some form of agreement could have been achieved with the producers to guarantee inclusion of at least SOME red fizz material in the flick...
qualcomm [11/1/2006 4:16:23 PM EST]
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yeah, it ends november 15. gonna put that up tonight.
sedrite [11/1/2006 4:16:02 PM EST]
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...could've at least put some kind of time limit on submissions...
itchybrother [11/1/2006 4:08:55 PM EST]
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just axing...
qualcomm [11/1/2006 4:04:10 PM EST]
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iunno. i got enough crap to do running the site without having to do that too.
itchybrother [11/1/2006 3:59:53 PM EST]
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then why not just limit the batch of contestant songs to the ones that actually have a shot at being chosen? Like, everyone who wants to submit will submit, but you being who you are, knowing what you know, will do some magical filtering of stuff that just doesn't belong (like this song, apparently), THEN we can vote on the list of actual contenders, instead of voting on songs that are already not at all what the movie man is after?
qualcomm [11/1/2006 3:52:34 PM EST]
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(that said, i do think there will be one or more winners. and the smart money's not on pauline.)
qualcomm [11/1/2006 3:51:07 PM EST]
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let me quote you: "if the results do not actually allow anyone to win, can it truly be called a contest?" are you saying that you weren't arguing about the definition of contest there? (my answer by the way is yes, i do think it can still truly be called a contest.)
sedrite [11/1/2006 3:42:50 PM EST]
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Ohmigod you're being so squirmy right now! This isn't a discussion about the definition of contest; it's about THIS contest!!!
qualcomm [11/1/2006 3:30:51 PM EST]
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how does my setting up the rules of this particular contest affect the definition of the word contest?
sedrite [11/1/2006 3:26:21 PM EST]
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I was talking to QC, o brother from an itchier mother...

QC: You set up the rules for the contest babe, not me.

itchybrother [11/1/2006 3:22:40 PM EST]
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I wasn't being defensive, was I? If so, didn't mean to sound that way. Just questioning stuff...
qualcomm [11/1/2006 3:22:10 PM EST]
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i don't understand, sedrite. are you saying that by definition, a contest has to have a winner based on a democratic decision? i've never heard that before.
sedrite [11/1/2006 3:18:50 PM EST]
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I already have my own musical taste, thanks. Being honest about that is pretty satisfying...

But while we are on the topic of intellectual honesty, if the results do not actually allow anyone to win, can it truly be called a contest?

Obviously the third party would have to voluntarily submit to the decision. This would theoretically be in exchange for something like, I don't know, a bunch of free publicity for their movie.

But, hey, this has been fun. And it has certainly done the site a great service, no doubt. Look at all these great new bands and potential new critics. Y'all deserve congratulations and should be very proud of your excellent work.

I love this site. And I really look forward to the new contests. I offer my suggestions in hopes that it can improve. Being defensive doesn't get anyone anywhere...
itchybrother [11/1/2006 3:18:15 PM EST]
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i hear ya both. I'll go and check out the songs he chose.

as far as intellectual honesty goes -- I think I exercised some just by not submitting my own song -- not cause I don't think any one isn't good, but cause I didn't think any of them fit the project.

In the meantime, can you take off my stars here for Pauline? I do dig this song, but my votes seem out of place, after this discussion. At least take em down to 3...
qualcomm [11/1/2006 3:11:42 PM EST]
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also, sedrite, we are going to run contests where the winners are decided by vote. they will be run by redfizz. but we can't force a third party to submit to our decision, nor would we want to.
qualcomm [11/1/2006 3:06:54 PM EST]
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well, like i said, his initial choices from the site were "keys to the kingdom," "phases of the moon," "i need my sleep," "life lessons learned after school," and "stars we are." all of them can be looked up using our handy song search function, sedrite.

itchy, here's how i see it. the guy has given us a genre he wants, and some examples of redfizz music he thinks might work. our role as consultants would matter if we heeded those directions; in that case, the director would be more willing to trust our recommendations. but if he comes here and sees that everyone just votes on what they personally like, or votes on their own band, why should he pay any attention to votes? so, it's up to the users to be intellectually honest here if they want their votes to count.
sedrite [11/1/2006 3:04:44 PM EST]
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...I think I could be trusted with most musical decisions...I just think the contest would be cooler if the results actually mattered.

and Itchy: to me, there is a qualitative difference to the music in the character's headphones while he's at the dentist office and the music that overwhelms the live audio from the movie for say, a montage sequence...
itchybrother [11/1/2006 3:03:49 PM EST]
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and yet I still do
itchybrother [11/1/2006 3:02:48 PM EST]
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yep, the director should be making the final decisions. Which is why this voting is so weird...
itchybrother [11/1/2006 3:01:43 PM EST]
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soundtrack / incidental, is there a difference? Music in the film winds up being music on the soundtrack in most cases, no?

Anyway...I find it hard to rate a song any other way than whether I like it or not. I mean, the first two stars generally go toward how well you play the song, but 3 and up (to me) mean I'm starting to like the song, more than just appreciating the musicianship.

So, I agree that you should be voting on the ones you think should win. But why would I ever vote for a song I didn't like? And how could I ever slam what I thought was a good song, not having seen the movie I'm supposed to be recommending it for?

Like NovaVox said, maybe he doesn't know he's looking for this. Maybe this is for that one scene that doesn't call for indie rock.

yes I watched the trailer. But I still don't feel like we know enough to be giving educated stars to anything. Maybe qc does.
qualcomm [11/1/2006 3:01:31 PM EST]
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incidental music can set the tone of a movie as much as soundtrack music. as to our role being consultative, are you suggesting that we should have as much say as the film's director in choosing the music? someone has to make a final decision about what goes in, and the director makes more sense than, say, you.
sedrite [11/1/2006 2:37:04 PM EST]
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See, to me, the contest only works if you honestly rate songs based on the one you think should win...it's not soundtrack music, but incidental music we're picking...oh yeah, except for the contest votes are only remotely consultative....
sedrite [11/1/2006 2:21:40 PM EST]
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I have stars on my balls...
Mr. Danko [10/26/2006 11:39:02 AM EST]
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Why is Qualcomm changing and removing peoples' comments?
Mr. Danko [10/26/2006 11:07:19 AM EST]
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I urge all you Red Fizzers to tread carefully. It seems our administrator has the power to change our comments. What next? Kristallnacht!!
Mr. Danko [10/26/2006 11:02:17 AM EST]
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I love you, Qualcomm.
Mr. Danko [10/26/2006 10:59:09 AM EST]
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Though they do mine a similar vein. You're still a #@&%!.

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