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7/9/2007

Abel Mouton - San Francisco songwriter writing pop tunes as if the fate of the world depended on it! 
wish you knew
Genre: Indie
Weighted Rating: [8 Votes, 3.68 Stars]
Views: 2,352
Featured Review
JimPearson [7/9/2007 10:01:33 AM EST]
Score: +10
Rated 4 stars
I'm not very good at critiquing or offering advice. I usually either like it - for what it is, or I don't. I like this, didn't think I would. It's got an unusual sound, which makes me think that this songwriter is non-conformist, which is refreshing. Some great guitar playing throughout. Love the sparsity overall.
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Liner Notes
captain bringdown [7/18/2007 4:04:42 AM EST]
Score: +0
Hollyists...
hmm, them's fightin words
sedrite (song submitter) [7/18/2007 3:31:23 AM EST]
Score: +0
love is all around you...
itchybrother [7/12/2007 4:09:49 PM EST]
Score: +0
uh oh, the H word...hobbyists...
unklesam [7/11/2007 1:33:10 PM EST]
Score: +0
yeah- bleah blah blah - come rate my songs, I cant wait to get an earful
jivewhiteboy [7/11/2007 12:04:46 AM EST]
Score: +0
wow, just checked back up on this now. didn't realize the commenting that pursued.
don't sweat it man. i've had people here tell me that my stuff was boring. i've had people on other sites say that i can't sing, but i still do it.
i know some people may not like it, but i judge everything on the same level, just as if i were judging radiohead, beck, or any other professional musician. i know most of the people here are hobbyists though.
so, let's help each other grow thick skins.
unklesam [7/10/2007 11:57:54 PM EST]
Score: +0
yeah- and he was pissed because I pooped on their heads. That's pretty incredulous. Didn't JWB pretty much suggest that "honestly" every aspect of your art was worthless and should be abandoned, if not replaced by other parts, tones and musicians? Maybe I took this in the wrong tones tho. I think I made similar suggestions to Nova and a few others, I understand the logic. Hmmm I guess you can't critique without feelin the heat.
Sputnikov [7/10/2007 8:12:31 PM EST]
Score: +0
i suggest fast actin' tinactin!
Sputnikov [7/10/2007 8:11:57 PM EST]
Score: +0
it is highly possible that it is the funguy that is make him so itchy.
sedrite (song submitter) [7/10/2007 8:05:40 PM EST]
Score: +0
Hmm yes I can see now...I confused Itchy's 'review' with his 'comment unconditionally endorsing JWB's perfectly valid opinion that I should stop singing'...which he now almost acknowledges was made inconsiderately due to his eagerness to have a shootout with unklesam.

I'm like, fine, whatever dude. I really am psyched to finally have my first feature after submitting tunes for over a year!!!
unklesam [7/10/2007 6:05:12 PM EST]
Score: +0
ok I'll let you off easy this time itchy, you're a fun guy
JimPearson [7/10/2007 3:21:09 PM EST]
Score: +0
How long have you all been married?



Disclaimer: the above remark is of a sarcastic nature and not intended to offend any individuals to which it may or may not be referring to.
itchybrother [7/10/2007 2:59:28 PM EST]
Score: +0
I'm really not that sensitive.

Am I?

I knew you were kidding but still I decided to jump in and respond.

I don't think I've ever booed anybody, out of spite. If I have ever booed a comment, it was only to promote another comment I saw more fitting / accurate about the song. What I'm sayin is, I don't think I've ever booed you unk. That would be silly.

But don't you love all the discussions lately!

Play fight, play fight!
unklesam [7/10/2007 2:31:21 PM EST]
Score: +0
ya know what? I was kidding Itchy. Sorry I thought you knew that I was just making fun of mr. whiteboy: plus what fun is this site without telling somebody off. He stuck his neck out, and yeah- I cut the head. I'd love to turn this into a WWF cage match, me and sed, vs, you and jwb - and then where sed breaks a chair on my head and switches teams, and then I get the big guy out of the crowd and we plow the other team. You get the idea.

I thought my comment that even sucky bands are good was the shining epitome of comments around here. Its the basic argument on most of the rejects.

Itchy: I can tell you're sensitve, and love the ideas and songs you have. If you want to play fight me: that's fine. If not, you can boo me I guess.
For the record: I saw the whiteboy statement a full hour before I could no longer restrain from telling him off. I also resisted telling him howmuch his redneck chickin pickin sucks- once again because it doesn't but it would've been fun to retaliate. I chalk it up to being a monday buddy.
itchybrother [7/10/2007 11:58:17 AM EST]
Score: +0
who's hating?

jivewhite's comment was left on this song, so in my mind I was agreeing to his comment with respect to this song alone. I wasn't taking your entire life's work into account. Do I think you have the best voice ever? No. Do I think you should quit singing? Of course not. Do I think Tom Petty should quit recording music? Probably.

Anyway, my brief review said "long, laborious, and meandering. It needs much tightening." What's wrong with that? At no point did I say, you suck, you should quit.

but, regardless of how my comments were taken, mainly I was annoyed that Unk pooped on Jivewhite for leaving an honest comment. Leaving honest comments is hardly hating. Unless it's done, well, hatefully.
balcerebon [7/10/2007 11:45:12 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
sedrite (song submitter) [7/10/2007 11:40:03 AM EST]
Score: +0
By all means, Itchy, hate away. It's your soul. The comment you defended to unk was essentially a suggestion that I give up singing, so I'm not sure where you got the idea that your review doesn't say anything about my voice.

And a suggestion that I give up singing is not a comment on a song, but a comment on process.
itchybrother [7/10/2007 11:15:10 AM EST]
Score: +0
oh settle down boys.

that was directed at Unk, not you Sed. Sorry that you got caught in the crossfire.

Sed - my review never said anything about your voice. I don't think you have to do any acknowledging or defending of it. It is what it is, fine. But you submitted the song, so everyone is free to say it's good or not. You can't submit something say, well I know it's subpar so you have to ignore all that. Well, you can say it, but no one is under any obligation to ignore it. Anyway, I didn't hear this in the battles, I just woke up one day and it was featured. The off key and imperfect comment was for Unk. I read that the other day on some other song he commented on and it made me laugh. I know you try to make it sound good, the effort is not going unnoticed.

The process is about...the process is about something different for everyone. But we're not reviewing processes here, we're reviewing songs. You can discuss the process all you want, but the song has to stand on its own. If it needs liner notes or if it needs you standing by to explain it, then something is missing from the song.

Unk, whatever dude. So does that mean you don't like hearing good voices on songs? I don't say every note has to be perfect, every vocal has to be clean, certainly there are all types of voices for all types of songs. But we bitch about every other aspect of a song, from guitar playing to basslines to EQ-ing of drums to mixing of keyboards, why can't vocals be addressed? They are not the most important part of a song, true, but they are just like any other instrument, they carry the same weight to me as guitar, bass, or drums. If someone's guitar was out of tune someone would say, dude, your guitar is out of tune. Why can't someone comment on the vocals just the same?
sedrite (song submitter) [7/10/2007 10:27:18 AM EST]
Score: +0
Whaddaya want Itchy? How many ways do I have to acknowledge that the singing is not very good on this cut? Y'all are the ones who picked it for the feature not me...

It's not that I like stuff to be off key and imperfect as that I enjoy writing and singing my own tunes. And the process is about growth and learning rather than I'm not sure what you think it is supposed to be. And I suppose I do generally prefer things to sound a little more in process rather than overwrought, like a lot of the bedroom rock I hear on here. But I really do try to make it sound good.

In the future, figure if it says "Abel Mouton" in the artist ID you can count on it being me singing a song that I wrote myself.
unklesam [7/10/2007 10:21:47 AM EST]
Score: +0
shut up itchy, I 'll kick your scrawny internet ass, and then you wont be abel to record any more good songs. The ability to sing is a non essential part of rock n roll or cock in hole for that matter. Us people with mediocre voices have talent too.
itchybrother [7/10/2007 10:01:11 AM EST]
Score: +0
nah, whitey's dead on on this one, unk (sorry Abe). But you like things off key and imperfect, right?
sedrite (song submitter) [7/10/2007 2:33:19 AM EST]
Score: +0
Domo domo domo domo domo domo domo. Arigato, Bratty, peace on earth to everyone.

Something about the way y'all keep saying you don't like my singing is giving me the impression you don't really like my singing. I'll be sure to let you know the minute I start caring!

Just kidding! I'll keep promise to keep practicing singing and I probably will get around to re-recording this one with strings and stuff. And Fringie there are two recording projects I have in mind at the moment and one of them is all about organic sounds!
unklesam [7/9/2007 11:25:54 PM EST]
Score: +0
shutup whitey
jivewhiteboy [7/9/2007 8:02:44 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 1.5 stars
you need a singer. i'm not trying to be mean, but you can't sing, not even in a gruff cash or waits way.
other than that, the drumming or drum machine is pretty weak. the two guitar sounds don't mix well. maybe that's what this song needs, better mixing...and better singing.
Mr. Bratty [7/9/2007 7:56:48 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
this is a gem, dude.
drfringe [7/9/2007 6:43:31 PM EST]
Score: +0
I forgot to congratulate you on your victory, but I'm glad you got your victory lap in none the less, to the academy about your success in the rounds here.

Yes, unusual song, but not because of the singing. I still dig a lot of your other tunes more, but PBJ every day is a little boring. This is more interesting by far. I'll have to reach out and listen to the words next take..... I'd love to hear some organic stuff with your voice. It screams violas and cellos to me. Even banjo and mandolin. That's my theme lately and I'm goin with it. You have this guy from the cabin vibe that is tre cool.
CalebH [7/9/2007 1:54:42 PM EST]
Score: +10
Rated 3 stars
I don't know if it was just me, 'cause nobody has really explicitly said anything about this, but I noticed quite a few pitch issues with the vocals. And, despite the appeal of the sparse atmosphere, I wish that a bass or something would come in with the drums. Otherwise I enjoyed it. Chord progression's real nice.
sedrite (song submitter) [7/9/2007 1:53:15 PM EST]
Score: +0
Abel Mouton on the feature page, these truly are the end times. A little surprised to see this up here but I won't say I am not pleased. I thought I was up against 'a perfect place' so I was like, no way.

This is an old recording and the singing is not very good, thank you for noticing. It is, however, the very best we had available at the time so we went with it. At present, there are no plans to replace the singer in the group, since the singer is me and I'm the only regular member. If anyone else wants to sing it, they are welcome to take a crack at it.

I don't hate the singing anywhere near as much as that drum program though. That's what I would really change first is fix that pattern so it is a little less honkified...perhaps bossa-izing it could answer that. But bossa as played by US musicians never quite achieves the level of darkness I'm after, especially with this one.

Thanks for your kindness Jim. I tend to write things as songwriting challenges to myself. This one, I wanted to see if I could right a song that just got darker and darker until it ended with a final bummer. I also wanted to see where that II-v to a II-V led me melodically. I think the song actually ends up being in nearly every key. I think I was listening to a lot of Chet Baker at the time, especially that soundtrack from the Bruce Weber documentary, which has his version of Almost Blue on it. I seem to recall having Sign 'o' the Times in heavy rotation too, and I can hear that in there too.

Not too familiar with The Wallflowers' catalogue, although I think I do tend to generally conform to the same prototype as them, actually probably best championed by Jakob Dylan's father.

And I love Paul. That's why I hate him so much.
drfringe [7/9/2007 12:43:07 PM EST]
Score: +0
I do believe this is from your blue period, is it not?
itchybrother [7/9/2007 11:45:47 AM EST]
Score: +0
long, laborious, and meandering. It needs much tightening.
Drowning Scarlett [7/9/2007 10:54:15 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 5 stars
a bajillion
unklesam [7/9/2007 10:43:38 AM EST]
Score: +0
I think your reject reason should be misogynistic, and fratboyish, over educated and overall troll bait.
unklesam [7/9/2007 9:21:03 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 5 stars
Abel, I always hear overtones of the wallflowers in your music, is that me? I like the atonalness of this. I also hear some nice ragtime/or lounge type melody sounds -This probably the most original thing you've done. I congratulate you on this effort. I want a little phatter guitar on the next recording, but maybe its these laptop speakers. Sorry about the insult below, I have nothing against gay, or retarded bands like this. It came out wrong.
aaronlife [7/9/2007 9:05:43 AM EST]
Score: +0
it's a pretty song, starts to tip towards great after 1:45, but the vocals are challenged here; this may make you cringe, but it hints at McCartney at times... in a very good way. I think it deserves a revisit, maybe with harmony, perhaps in a different key, perhaps necessitating a different singer to capture the sound I think this wants to have, but glad you posted it.
chickadee [7/9/2007 5:50:50 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 3 stars
This song has potential. Needs a different vocalist.
wordgirl62 [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Are those your daily meds in the picture? (Give us lord, our daily meds...)
wayne monges [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
hmmm, some nice jazzy guitar chords, a great sequence of rhymes there "share with me/care for me/prepare to be." Mmmm, you just gotta work on your voc delivery a bit, to tune it up. It's good in the sense that your personality really comes across, it's unique, but it just needs some polishing. Also, lose the midi drums. I could do a better track for you if you want.
Greyfield [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
this was no Uncle Bud....
drfringe [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
no you a #@&%!ing guy: with the gay retard tunes
ScottT [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
yeah...what Bratty says
Mr. Bratty [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
i could totally hear this as a samba or a bossa tune.
balcerebon [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
interesting chord progressions, some cross-tones of dinner jazz and even some subtle dixieland-type sounds mixed in. good work.
...an old one...people like it sometimes...

Ralph Spight - Drum Program
Abel Mouton - Guitars and Vocals...

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