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What's All This Then? (remix)
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Featured Review
yunquekabal [12/2/2009 12:00:49 AM EST]
Score: +9
Rated 4.5 stars
repulsed is probably not the right word for what i'm trying to say, let's go with 'turned off' instead. i like all twelve tones, it's just I personally can't make room for all of them in every song. they tend to make me grimace when they all get together for a party. but it makes more sense now that you've explained it. i love samples too btw, don't get me wrong and your collage skills are way up there, you got a good ear for that kind of stuff. i still really like this track, excellent contrast throughout the song
Richie Isaacs [12/16/2009 3:11:14 PM EST]
Score: +0
Hit a bit of a snag with my computer running badly, it's having trouble running the recodring software BUT nce i either get this fixed or steal..I mean, buy a new one I'm there, dude!
balcerebon (song submitter) [12/16/2009 1:46:34 PM EST]
Score: +0
right on Richie
Pynner [12/14/2009 9:08:21 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
...for the funky beat
Richie Isaacs [12/13/2009 4:19:16 PM EST]
Score: +0
Bro, I've got your email now so can get some guitar samples and stuff to ya, sorry it's taken so long - will record some a.s.ap for ya.
unklespaz [12/3/2009 1:06:57 AM EST]
Score: +0
Hmm back in the day performers actually had to work as servants between concertos, but composers were viewed with much higher regard. There were a few well revered composers who could write a heck of a symphony but couldn't play through a tune. Some were virtuosos but most weren't. One in particular was too shy to play in front of a crowd, and Mendelssohn was so respected that he was given a hired chamber orchestra for his 12th birthday to help him perform and compose or hear back his music. That said: it's easy to make light of tools or creativity in this day and age but the compositions that Balcerebon puts out are impressive and he's prolific. My hat is off to what he does, even if it doesn't appeal to everyone or all tastes.
Mr. Bratty [12/2/2009 8:09:49 PM EST]
Score: +0
ah, i just think it's fun doing something different once in a while. i have certainly enjoyed it. no big heavy deal coming from me here. in fact, i haven't even listened to this song yet. i suppose i should. what i'm saying is, just about anybody could get a bootlegged copy of frooty loops and a cd of sound effects and slap together some laughable piece of crap and use it to make fun of electronic music. but if you really try to use those elements to create something excellent, you may not achieve excellence but you may achieve something you hadn't expected. and now, to listen to this song...
ChrisMoschetti [12/2/2009 7:33:24 PM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 2.5 stars
I wouldn't say that I could do it Mr. B.

I'm not trying to either.

And I don't feel any need to step outside of my comfort zone. I'm not comfortable there yet and I'm still working on getting good at what I'm vaguely familiar with.

I think what I am saying is

If I heard that drums beat, that bass line, that guitar part and those horn parts and a guy on keys playing as a live band in a club I'd step out for a smoke.

I want to figure it out though, I really do.

I don't want to hear stale chords and chorus verse chorus verse bridge chorus chorus song either. In my work I try to get away from that whenever possible, I have my own philosophy that I hold myself to when I make music but I'm not holding you to it.

Im talking about arrangement and composition here.

Drums: Simple, standard - 'stock'
Bass: Simple, standard - 'stock'
Horns: Pleasant, catchy, forgettable
Guitar - Atonal, effective, not outstanding

Changes in the music are not smooth or built well as transition but are by no means abrupt or forced

There is really no dynamic build in the song, no discernible climax

What element am I missing?

This isn't about method, or means. Its a question of why people are jocking this production method of music in general even when its just bar band jam music arranged by a man using a computer.....

Now to give credit where credit is due.....

I'm sure it is difficult to do the sifting, editing, bending and warping of each part- to dream it up put it in place and mess it around until it sounds all cool and #@&%!. It takes a certain mind to have the broad attention to be an individual and not work on a team and have parts work together and have it all be intentional (or a successful experiment) Its apparent to me that it is much more difficult to make this song from a blank computer slate version of 'scratch' than to get 5 dudes who have been playing music for 3 years to write these parts and jam them out in 5 minutes, but is your song intended to be judged on the method it was made rather than its end result treated equally with other music?

Final point: method notwithstanding, origins of the sounds notwithstanding---- This is boring music to my ears.

Another side note (because I hate being misunderstood) I don't feel like this is one of your stronger works and my comments aren't meant to apply to your whole vast collection of work or sample friendly music in general. I'm not claiming to be able to top you in your area of expertise or discourage you from making music.

unklespaz [12/2/2009 7:27:54 PM EST]
Score: +0
ummm why? why why why?
I think all musicians should act like axl rose and scream in falsetto, or maybe drink beer and drink country songs

just a wild hair out of nowhere though
Babar Klunj [12/2/2009 6:24:35 PM EST]
Score: +0
What Bratty says.
Mr. Bratty [12/2/2009 5:34:31 PM EST]
Score: +0
I highly recommend to all "traditional" musicians that you get out of your comfort zones a little and try to do some electronic music. I mean really try to create something you can be proud of, that you think is musical and worthy and up to what you would consider your personal standards of non-cringe-inducing. Just do it. for me. And then, when it's done, post it.
balcerebon (song submitter) [12/2/2009 2:02:21 PM EST]
Score: +0
You're probably right, Ruud, I use various sounds to form some sort of progression, but they probably do only add up to a melody/counterpart to the overall track, which in turn lacks a true chord progression in a particular key.
And Chris, believe me, sample art can be dismissed as nothing more than a "collage" of sounds that anyone could put together with the right software, but in my opinion it takes a different-but-equal sort of effort to create the tracks I create. I work alone, so I obviously I am not in to being a garage band. I assemble the tracks manually, using small pieces that I find from many places, sometimes even creating them myself (believe it or not), with some degree of forethought, some degree of trial and error, but I generally get it started with a pre-concieved theme or style, choose a BPM to use, and then let it shape itself as it goes, with me supervising, so to speak. then i mix it down to stereo, which is where the real work comes in, cuz then I do all the "colouring" of the track by overdubbing all kinds different sounds. And each sound I choose, I generally warp it into something completely unrecognizable from its original sound (with the exception of guitar or bass) using many differet simultaneous fx. Most people who play in a traditional rock band think this is cheating, or not worth listening to, but the mixing down/mastering process is what shapes it into "my song" I mean , I understand wht you are saying, I've had to argue against that point for years now. And I think people respect it because it is just fun to listen to. Some people think that sampling is limiting, but actually it is just the opposite. the possibilities are endless, especially when you can add an infinte amount of tracks to each piece, each track custom-shaped to fit the rest of the song. It is simply a different approach to creating music. It is lonely, so it lacks that energy that eminates from a traditional "band" who really can play well together, playing a coherent progression, with melodies and counterparts, bridges, verses, solos, etc. That may be the reason you find it boring, but I don't know how else to convey this notion of a different way to creating a song. If you are trying to say it is worthless, then you are probably right in the long run, but for me, it is a cool hobby. And I must admit, sometimes since I don't traditionally "play" each track or song, but I record sounds to use incessantly, sometimes by stealing and editing them from records, sometimes playing little one measure phrases to incorporate into the song, sound fx that are warped into a completely new sound. I guess what I am trying to say is that the content of each song is a hybrid of sounds that I create myself on a synth, guitar, recorder, harmonica, bass (like I said, I am definitely limited in my actual playing ability), but I don't find the end results to be repetitive, redundant, nor "stock". I trully do put a lot of time and effort into the songs, and understand why people who have a lot of skill find it to have no worth, but not everyone has the patience to create a song on a computer one measure at a time, just like some people don't have the patience to listen to whiny lyirics and stale chord progressions. A lot of bands out there today are clever, but many are post-shoegazing blah blah. . .
Anyway, I don't know if I answered your question in there or not, but just my thoughts on the subject.
Ruud Slingerland [12/2/2009 4:56:33 AM EST]
Score: +3
Rated 3.5 stars
I think most of the parts work, and as said before, the opening is real strong. But somehow this piece lacks the development of your best work. The rhythm keeps it all together but the different parts seem to be glued together, and, to me, it gives the impression of a a medley instead of a connected tune.
ChrisMoschetti [12/1/2009 8:16:44 PM EST]
Score: +1
well, i really don't like electronic music at all but I'd like to weigh in on this one. The only awful thing about this is the drums. If your going atonal and transcending so many boundaries why bore me to death with such a bland drum and bass combination?

As far as out of key goes however..

Theres nothing saying that music (especially music not actually played by 12 note instruments) needs to land on one of the 12 tones to be a coherent sound or idea. I like the looseness within the 12 tones in this song here.

I'm at odds with this kind of music truthfully. I don't know why people respect it so much more than some 5 piece garage jam band that plays repetitive drum and bass parts and has some guy wanking guitar over a warbly keyboard organ. The sounds are new but the form is repetitive and stock. Am I wrong?

Or is the real content in the production?
I just don't know.....

I usually don't comment on yer songs because I don't know how to say things like this without discounting you or discrediting you. Plus everyone else seems to like it as far as I can tell because your songs are often featured. I had in my mind that people around here just love this electro stuff and past that are blind to any other considerations that other types of music are subjected to. Can someone shed some light for me?
balcerebon (song submitter) [12/1/2009 6:15:00 PM EST]
Score: +0
I mean, retro synths are fine in and of themselves, and some people know how to use them correctly, but for some reason, it always sounds irritating with the stuff i try to mix the samples with. i just can't make them work, unless i'm being intentionally abrasive or semi-industrial.
balcerebon (song submitter) [12/1/2009 7:08:51 AM EST]
Score: +1
well, yunk, i get repulsed by too much retro-synth sounds in any given mix, so I go with stuff lifted from jazz records, etc. i suppose it is a little redundant, but that's just my preference. i got really into jazz coincidentally around the same time i started to finally accept electronica (it took awhile, trust me), and started to see some similarities, like jungle and bebop, the laid back saxes of the cool era and the chillout vibe of lounge and #@&%! off the OM label. As far as being out of key, i figure if it sounds okay together without grating the nerves, then that's a good start. plus, miles and trane didn't always isolate their sounds in the same key my piece happens to be in, so I limit myself, but I try to stay as atonal as possible (almost for that very reason), and to create my own sort of key, by not really deciding what key it will be in, but rather just sort of letting it all fall together. and believe me, a lot of wasted time can accrue with that method, cuz i've scrapped so many projects its unreal. one begins to run out of space for a sample library as sounds collect, and with so many "ingredients" at my disposal can be overwhelming. laziness is always a factor too : )
THENAKEDBEACH [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
great horn bass combination on top. love the guitar entrance. always in motion. like walking into multiple chambers
unklespaz [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Latin? I guess? I guess I hear urban groove chillout
Richie Isaacs [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Latin freakout...classy in a slightly demented way...
Ruud Slingerland [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Opening is strong
FilipinoJEW33 [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
sounds like beck stole some horns from streetlight manifesto. Dope #@&%!!! Would love to hear some raps on top of it. A little random but its clearly a labor of love and experimentation.
Groon Lake [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
I said it before with this project, I keep craving more real time played elements to humanize all the samples. Some well played horn would cause this material to stand on it's hind legs bark like it had a pair.
yunquekabal [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
you're a hell of a crafty dj man, i'm loving all of your latest stuff. there's a resemblance with kid koala, the sounds are very urban and laid back. also, it's bringing back memories of that show 'street frogs'. man, hip hop at it's best. one question though, what's the deal with all the out of key stuff? i mean i know the jazz influence but idk, djs tend to use it too much and people who don't really know about music can get repulsed by it

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