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6/6/2012

Spruce Goose - a portland band that loves to rock 
Next Time
Weighted Rating: [1 Vote, 4 Stars]
Views: 883
Spruce Goose (song submitter) [6/9/2012 5:59:27 PM EST]
Score: +0
As one of the singers, I usually prefer to write vocal lines based on feel rather than sitting down and breaking down note for note whats going on but that might help make future performances more original and less rote. I pushed for the poppy chorus, its possible we could've written a better one in the original time signature. We'll keep tweaking with future compositions. Point taken.
jonathanwoodvincent [6/8/2012 12:48:24 AM EST]
Score: +0
I don't worry much about wrong or right notes or harmony. Each song has it's own harmony. I've studied harmony for years and I've got plenty of Bach fugues, etc. stuffed in my brain. When you really understand harmony, you can leave it. It's in your bones, and you can leave it. The best treatise on harmony was written by Arnold Schoenberg, who left it behind 100 years ago. I'm interested in hearing people expressing what they want to express, but with the discipline of really knowing what they want, not just doing what seems easy or permitted. What constitutes scales and harmony mostly just amounts to common practice and a set of easily described systems of rules to be sold to those who want someone to tell them what to do. And if it involves equal temperament, then there's little you can say for any of it being more "natural". And I don't mean it as a means to offend or anything: a lot of old fashioned conservative traditional eastern european music involves minor seconds over major 7ths and "worse" and they seem happy with it. To me, music must have no limits, even if it's a "pop" song. Otherwise, why do it? To perfect what someone already told you about and just stick with that?
MiddleAgeMusic [6/8/2012 12:17:33 AM EST]
Score: +0
Rated 4 stars
Boy, am I confused. Jonathan, help me understand: Is melodic crafting improtant, or do we forget the whole "wrong note" thing. I'm all for experimenting with harmony, but you can't (for instance) play or sing a minor second over a major 7th chord and expect it to have a pleasant effect. Such is only the "right" note if you want to offend--or make a statement, in which case we are out of harmony and into philosophy. All that aside, this is a pretty cool tune. I don't personally care for the dissonant note (it's clearly outside of the harmonic scheme of the song), but it doesn't ruin the whole thing for me. Again, nice arrangement. Cool drums.
jonathanwoodvincent [6/6/2012 2:37:44 PM EST]
Score: +0
Thanks for asking. I meant the whole vocal line. I would love to hear it sound as special as the arrangement/backing of the song. This doesn't mean to change anything necessarily, but to really hear if you truly like down to the piss stains of your soul or if you might want to hear more..or less.
Spruce Goose (song submitter) [6/6/2012 11:59:22 AM EST]
Score: +0
Thanks for the feedback and the second stage. The dissonance thing on guitar was intention and part of the original line. We could've sang that note to make it more consonant but decided not to.

Jonathan, are you talking about the the first vocal part, the dissonant bit or the chorus?
jonathanwoodvincent [6/6/2012 10:12:38 AM EST]
Score: +0
An idea: Try learning to play the vocal line you've made here on a guitar or keyboard, bassoon, whatever. Figure out and play each note exactly as you sing it. Then listen to whether the vocal line's notes really excite you alone, without the rest of the band to prop it up. If not, choose what notes your really want. Inspiration works every now and then, but real melodic crafting delves into something even deeper and will serve you well over time. This would do the trick, I believe.

Also, if you sigh (exhale) while singing-siren like from around your lowest note in your range and up into your highest falsetto range until you can do it without any tension cropping up (your voice will probably crack and that's good), this will help with your singing a lot, even if singing what you want to sing means singing out of tune (microtones, in my opinion, have great value and beauty) or with the sound of tension.

And dissonance schmissonance: Scales/chords/makams/ragas/etc..etc can very well derive from interest and context, not just from some dogmatic rule of music theory or marketing of genre (same thing really) that boxes people into genres and niches that someone already bought and sold last year. Let's get over the wrong note business already. No such thing outside of personal choice. Curiosity and knowing and deciding what you really want trump any seeming rule in art. If commerce has some importance, then realize the trust fund children (bless their hearts) have already beaten you to the market and you needn't worry about making too much money anymore.
themondays [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
dissonance thing is noted....there's something very very cool here fighting to get through the noise...love the lead singers tone, its easy to screw that nasally thing up, but it works here. there's just a little too much business, its distracting rather than adding to the mix. electric guitar tone is solid when it comes in, but then gets muddled almost instantly. my issues with this tune ae 99.9 percent mix related. keep messing with it.
Pynner [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Uncomfortable vocals. Pretty interesting at parts, but the happy pop two note progression makes it feel slightly generic and uncool. Good production.

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MiddleAgeMusic [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
The arrangement is very effective. The vocals on the "A" section are distractingly painful. There is also a dissonance problem--the "wrong chord" thing, as Dave stated.
DaveOD [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
Well written. I like the arrangement a lot. Very "live" sounding snare works well in the mix. there seems to be a little "tension point" in the guitar part, that comes of like it's just a wrong chord, but it happens twice, so I'm guessing it's not.Over all though, I really like this one a lot. I'd still say feature it, warts & all.
balcerebon [posted during evaluation]
Score: +0
like the intro, drums are good. not sure what to say about the vocals, I don't dislike them, but they are standing out in a slightly off-putting way. overall good jam.